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		<title>By: Administrator</title>
		<link>http://www.amichopine.com/blog/?p=183&#038;cpage=1#comment-13144</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 23:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I did state that we need to sue people sometimes. So I guess I have at least a thread of rationality left me.

In fact, we just finished watching Michael Clayton (with George Clooney) yesterday. Very good movie, and certainly that corporation needed to be sued. When such an act can prevent further harm, then it is a worthy cause.

As far as &quot;God help me if I really are injured,&quot; What if that injury involved no one to sue? What would I do then? 

Then why worry if there is someone to sue? Really? Why waste the time and energy hurting someone else? That wouldn&#039;t heal me, emotionally or physically. My only caveat would be medical costs. But then, I couldn&#039;t sue anyone if I had cancer either.

Life happens, and sometimes people are involved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I did state that we need to sue people sometimes. So I guess I have at least a thread of rationality left me.</p>
<p>In fact, we just finished watching Michael Clayton (with George Clooney) yesterday. Very good movie, and certainly that corporation needed to be sued. When such an act can prevent further harm, then it is a worthy cause.</p>
<p>As far as &#8220;God help me if I really are injured,&#8221; What if that injury involved no one to sue? What would I do then? </p>
<p>Then why worry if there is someone to sue? Really? Why waste the time and energy hurting someone else? That wouldn&#8217;t heal me, emotionally or physically. My only caveat would be medical costs. But then, I couldn&#8217;t sue anyone if I had cancer either.</p>
<p>Life happens, and sometimes people are involved.</p>
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		<title>By: The Other Side</title>
		<link>http://www.amichopine.com/blog/?p=183&#038;cpage=1#comment-13141</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 23:00:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah personal experience and irrational belief, it is very hard to compete with that.  Clearly it is easier for you to believe that every lawyer is just like the one you remember from when you were &quot;young and clueless.&quot;

So sure you go ahead and cling to your belief that all plaintiff&#039;s lawyers are evil ambulance chasers, and that you are the only person worthy of deciding who should and should not be sued.  Clearly this is a personal issue for you, and no one will ever change your mind.  You should probably remove that part of your blog description that claims to be interested in rational thoughts, though, as you clearly enjoy fervent beliefs more than making rational distinctions amidst an entire profession of people.

God help you when you really are injured.  Be sure and show your blog to the attorney you try to get to spend their own money prosecuting your case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah personal experience and irrational belief, it is very hard to compete with that.  Clearly it is easier for you to believe that every lawyer is just like the one you remember from when you were &#8220;young and clueless.&#8221;</p>
<p>So sure you go ahead and cling to your belief that all plaintiff&#8217;s lawyers are evil ambulance chasers, and that you are the only person worthy of deciding who should and should not be sued.  Clearly this is a personal issue for you, and no one will ever change your mind.  You should probably remove that part of your blog description that claims to be interested in rational thoughts, though, as you clearly enjoy fervent beliefs more than making rational distinctions amidst an entire profession of people.</p>
<p>God help you when you really are injured.  Be sure and show your blog to the attorney you try to get to spend their own money prosecuting your case.</p>
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		<title>By: Administrator</title>
		<link>http://www.amichopine.com/blog/?p=183&#038;cpage=1#comment-13132</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 19:59:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi the Other Side,

I don&#039;t know if you&#039;ll come back and see this answer. 

There are too many plaintiff lawyers and by experience I have found that they will try to prosecute a weak case. When I was in my early twenties, a lady turned left onto a road in front of me. She claimed my lights weren&#039;t on, and I knew they were on. The insurance company stopped helping us after they called 60% her fault, and we couldn&#039;t afford to replace our old but very reliable car.

So I tried to call a lawyer. I was young, clueless, and there are advertisements everywhere. Was I hurt? Well, a bloodless scrape on my ankle and a very minor bruise. 

But this guy was going to go after her for injuries! That was how he would make his money. When I pulled out after a couple of days, because he was acting without integrity, he was extremely rude.  

I&#039;ve seen other cases. Everyone has heard about frivolous and just plain greedy cases. There are enough litigation lawyers that will do anything for a buck that the whole process reeks to an honest person.

Are there cases where people need to be sued? Yes.

But that doesn&#039;t make ambulance chasing a reputable practice. That doesn&#039;t make the original suit that came against Flea right. If anything, that mess proves how broken the litigation process is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi the Other Side,</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know if you&#8217;ll come back and see this answer. </p>
<p>There are too many plaintiff lawyers and by experience I have found that they will try to prosecute a weak case. When I was in my early twenties, a lady turned left onto a road in front of me. She claimed my lights weren&#8217;t on, and I knew they were on. The insurance company stopped helping us after they called 60% her fault, and we couldn&#8217;t afford to replace our old but very reliable car.</p>
<p>So I tried to call a lawyer. I was young, clueless, and there are advertisements everywhere. Was I hurt? Well, a bloodless scrape on my ankle and a very minor bruise. </p>
<p>But this guy was going to go after her for injuries! That was how he would make his money. When I pulled out after a couple of days, because he was acting without integrity, he was extremely rude.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve seen other cases. Everyone has heard about frivolous and just plain greedy cases. There are enough litigation lawyers that will do anything for a buck that the whole process reeks to an honest person.</p>
<p>Are there cases where people need to be sued? Yes.</p>
<p>But that doesn&#8217;t make ambulance chasing a reputable practice. That doesn&#8217;t make the original suit that came against Flea right. If anything, that mess proves how broken the litigation process is.</p>
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		<title>By: The Other Side</title>
		<link>http://www.amichopine.com/blog/?p=183&#038;cpage=1#comment-13127</link>
		<dc:creator>The Other Side</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 19:09:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find it ironic that you can lash out at Flea&#039;s detractors for not empathizing with his plight, but you have no problems categorizing all plaintiff&#039;s lawyers as money grubbing fools with no morals.

To quote your own words:

&quot;Do you think they arenâ€™t human?&quot;

I also find it ironic that so many people earnestly believe that most, if not all, plaintiff&#039;s cases are without merit or plaintiff&#039;s lawyers prosecute cases with bad facts to make money.  This theory ignores the economic reality of being a practicing plaintiff&#039;s lawyer.  A contingency fee means you do not get paid unless you recover money for your client, so you simply cannot afford to spend hundreds of hours on a case with no merit.  

But don&#039;t let all of these pesky facts get in your way, after all it&#039;s so much easier to blame everything on those pesky plaintiff&#039;s lawyers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it ironic that you can lash out at Flea&#8217;s detractors for not empathizing with his plight, but you have no problems categorizing all plaintiff&#8217;s lawyers as money grubbing fools with no morals.</p>
<p>To quote your own words:</p>
<p>&#8220;Do you think they arenâ€™t human?&#8221;</p>
<p>I also find it ironic that so many people earnestly believe that most, if not all, plaintiff&#8217;s cases are without merit or plaintiff&#8217;s lawyers prosecute cases with bad facts to make money.  This theory ignores the economic reality of being a practicing plaintiff&#8217;s lawyer.  A contingency fee means you do not get paid unless you recover money for your client, so you simply cannot afford to spend hundreds of hours on a case with no merit.  </p>
<p>But don&#8217;t let all of these pesky facts get in your way, after all it&#8217;s so much easier to blame everything on those pesky plaintiff&#8217;s lawyers!</p>
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		<title>By: Hyloka</title>
		<link>http://www.amichopine.com/blog/?p=183&#038;cpage=1#comment-5815</link>
		<dc:creator>Hyloka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jun 2007 09:22:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ami,

     I suppose you could make the bar exam more difficult and at the same time limit the number of tries to pass the bar exam, although some states still have a glut of attorneys even with low pass rates (the California pass rate when I took the bar was below 50%).  There is a valid need for attorneys who represent plaintiffs or classes of plaintiffs who do not themselves have the power to bring change to defendents/companies who really are in the wrong.  If all attorneys worked for the big companies or big firms that represented the big companies, then there&#039;d be no one out there to help the little guy.  

Regardless of what a better ratio of attorneys to non-attorneys might be, there are to few attorneys who look their client in the eyes and say &quot;you can&#039;t be serious, despite what you may be able to extract from the other side, you should do what is morally right here.&quot;  

Anon,
      Just because I steer clear of the courtroom doesn&#039;t mean that I don&#039;t have the knowledge necessary to judge the merits of legal arguments.  I spend most of my time drafting agreements to avoid arguments or advising clients of the strenghts and weaknesses of their positions and likelihood of success in court.  However, I firmly believe that law is not rocket science, or physics or microbiology, etc.  If only practicing trial attorneys were &quot;qualified&quot; to judge the merits of a case (or the wisdom of blogging about trial strategy during a trial), the jury pool would shrink significantly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ami,</p>
<p>     I suppose you could make the bar exam more difficult and at the same time limit the number of tries to pass the bar exam, although some states still have a glut of attorneys even with low pass rates (the California pass rate when I took the bar was below 50%).  There is a valid need for attorneys who represent plaintiffs or classes of plaintiffs who do not themselves have the power to bring change to defendents/companies who really are in the wrong.  If all attorneys worked for the big companies or big firms that represented the big companies, then there&#8217;d be no one out there to help the little guy.  </p>
<p>Regardless of what a better ratio of attorneys to non-attorneys might be, there are to few attorneys who look their client in the eyes and say &#8220;you can&#8217;t be serious, despite what you may be able to extract from the other side, you should do what is morally right here.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Anon,<br />
      Just because I steer clear of the courtroom doesn&#8217;t mean that I don&#8217;t have the knowledge necessary to judge the merits of legal arguments.  I spend most of my time drafting agreements to avoid arguments or advising clients of the strenghts and weaknesses of their positions and likelihood of success in court.  However, I firmly believe that law is not rocket science, or physics or microbiology, etc.  If only practicing trial attorneys were &#8220;qualified&#8221; to judge the merits of a case (or the wisdom of blogging about trial strategy during a trial), the jury pool would shrink significantly.</p>
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		<title>By: Liz</title>
		<link>http://www.amichopine.com/blog/?p=183&#038;cpage=1#comment-5187</link>
		<dc:creator>Liz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2007 13:11:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am well aware that my view of what happened is not going to popular here. But what has happened is so interesting, and touches on such an unusual view of a very difficult topic â€“ medical negligence, and how it should be dealt with â€“ that I cannot resist.  For a start, I too have a lot of sympathy for Dr. Lindeman and the position he finds himself in.  I am more than ready to believe that he is an excellent, caring doctor.  If he was forced â€“ by a failure of nerve, his insurance company â€“ to settle when he believed, and believed he could prove, that he had done nothing wrong is an appalling travesty of justice.  I have a lot less sympathy for â€œFleaâ€.  To have a doctor blogging honestly and as openly as possible about his feelings on this kind of case would have actually managed to add something useful to the great divide between defendant and plaintive.  Both are unenviable roles that most of us would hope never to find ourselves in.  But it is seldom Angels on one side and Devils on the other.  When it comes to stating the obvious â€œMoney wonâ€™t bring your son backâ€ is about as obvious as it gets, and, of course, true.  But maybe money can help with some of the practical devastation â€“ a career you no longer have the will to pursue, a home you canâ€™t bear to live in.  And what is the alternative?  To murmur â€œIâ€™m sure you did your best doctor,â€ and vanish into the woodwork?   What if you are not at all sure, and your only recourse is to let a jury weight it up?  The problem with Fleaâ€™s blog was that he left a bit of a hole in the popular notion of greedy litigants and saintly doctors.  To use his blog to â€œventâ€ in this way was a serious error of judgement, wide-open to misinterpretation.  If you were feeling generous, you could â€œinterpretâ€ his comment about preferring ill-educated young women (his definition of â€œmothersâ€) to well-educated men charitably â€“ he liked them, knew how to talk to them, trusted their judgement, or uncharitably â€“ easier to fool with his superiority.  It seems to me unlikely that his blog was the only reason this case settled.

I wish him well, and hope his future is less dire than it seems at the moment.  Making the front page of a newspaper was a very high price to pay for  his jokey alter ego, but hubris is a bitch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am well aware that my view of what happened is not going to popular here. But what has happened is so interesting, and touches on such an unusual view of a very difficult topic â€“ medical negligence, and how it should be dealt with â€“ that I cannot resist.  For a start, I too have a lot of sympathy for Dr. Lindeman and the position he finds himself in.  I am more than ready to believe that he is an excellent, caring doctor.  If he was forced â€“ by a failure of nerve, his insurance company â€“ to settle when he believed, and believed he could prove, that he had done nothing wrong is an appalling travesty of justice.  I have a lot less sympathy for â€œFleaâ€.  To have a doctor blogging honestly and as openly as possible about his feelings on this kind of case would have actually managed to add something useful to the great divide between defendant and plaintive.  Both are unenviable roles that most of us would hope never to find ourselves in.  But it is seldom Angels on one side and Devils on the other.  When it comes to stating the obvious â€œMoney wonâ€™t bring your son backâ€ is about as obvious as it gets, and, of course, true.  But maybe money can help with some of the practical devastation â€“ a career you no longer have the will to pursue, a home you canâ€™t bear to live in.  And what is the alternative?  To murmur â€œIâ€™m sure you did your best doctor,â€ and vanish into the woodwork?   What if you are not at all sure, and your only recourse is to let a jury weight it up?  The problem with Fleaâ€™s blog was that he left a bit of a hole in the popular notion of greedy litigants and saintly doctors.  To use his blog to â€œventâ€ in this way was a serious error of judgement, wide-open to misinterpretation.  If you were feeling generous, you could â€œinterpretâ€ his comment about preferring ill-educated young women (his definition of â€œmothersâ€) to well-educated men charitably â€“ he liked them, knew how to talk to them, trusted their judgement, or uncharitably â€“ easier to fool with his superiority.  It seems to me unlikely that his blog was the only reason this case settled.</p>
<p>I wish him well, and hope his future is less dire than it seems at the moment.  Making the front page of a newspaper was a very high price to pay for  his jokey alter ego, but hubris is a bitch.</p>
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		<title>By: Anon</title>
		<link>http://www.amichopine.com/blog/?p=183&#038;cpage=1#comment-4977</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jun 2007 04:46:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;We donâ€™t have to try every case to know that some of them are frivolous. We already know that judges throw some out on that basis alone. What of the â€˜fringeâ€™ cases, that the judge almost threw out but decided was okay? &quot;

You apparently haven&#039;t tried any and appear to know nothing about trial practice.  Are there frivolous claims?  Of course.  Are there bad doctors?  Of course.  However, neither justifies a wholesale indictment of either system.

As for Moof, whether or not he&#039;s a good guy is not the issue.  Good people are negligent all the time.  I&#039;m sure you&#039;ve inadvertently run a stop sign a time or two, you were just lucky no one was in the road at the time.  However, without reviewing the evidence, you can not make a judgment on the legitimacy of this case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;We donâ€™t have to try every case to know that some of them are frivolous. We already know that judges throw some out on that basis alone. What of the â€˜fringeâ€™ cases, that the judge almost threw out but decided was okay? &#8221;</p>
<p>You apparently haven&#8217;t tried any and appear to know nothing about trial practice.  Are there frivolous claims?  Of course.  Are there bad doctors?  Of course.  However, neither justifies a wholesale indictment of either system.</p>
<p>As for Moof, whether or not he&#8217;s a good guy is not the issue.  Good people are negligent all the time.  I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;ve inadvertently run a stop sign a time or two, you were just lucky no one was in the road at the time.  However, without reviewing the evidence, you can not make a judgment on the legitimacy of this case.</p>
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		<title>By: Shinga</title>
		<link>http://www.amichopine.com/blog/?p=183&#038;cpage=1#comment-4938</link>
		<dc:creator>Shinga</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2007 20:31:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dignified post, Ami.

Regards - Shinga</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dignified post, Ami.</p>
<p>Regards &#8211; Shinga</p>
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		<title>By: Administrator</title>
		<link>http://www.amichopine.com/blog/?p=183&#038;cpage=1#comment-4912</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2007 14:40:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Hyloka,

Very interesting. A solution could be a limit on how many lawyers are allowed to enter the field. Is that what bar exams are supposed to do? Should they be more rigorous? 

Anon,

We don&#039;t have to try every case to know that some of them are frivolous. We already know that judges throw some out on that basis alone. What of the &#039;fringe&#039; cases, that the judge almost threw out but decided was okay? 

I am sure that in order to avoid cognitive dissonance, to avoid pangs of conscience, to be confident in front of judge and jury, lawyers trying frivolous and weak cases convince themselves as well.

Moof,

Thank you.

Liz,

I know that the bulk of his writing about the trial regarded the trial itself, but there were several instances in which he noted his feelings regarding the death of the child. 

Everyone who has said Flea was stupid, juvenile, etc

The only difference between Flea and all of us is that Flea managed to be stupid and juvenile publicly. Maybe we should be a little more compassionate and stop pointing out the obvious. It doesn&#039;t help or change anything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Hyloka,</p>
<p>Very interesting. A solution could be a limit on how many lawyers are allowed to enter the field. Is that what bar exams are supposed to do? Should they be more rigorous? </p>
<p>Anon,</p>
<p>We don&#8217;t have to try every case to know that some of them are frivolous. We already know that judges throw some out on that basis alone. What of the &#8216;fringe&#8217; cases, that the judge almost threw out but decided was okay? </p>
<p>I am sure that in order to avoid cognitive dissonance, to avoid pangs of conscience, to be confident in front of judge and jury, lawyers trying frivolous and weak cases convince themselves as well.</p>
<p>Moof,</p>
<p>Thank you.</p>
<p>Liz,</p>
<p>I know that the bulk of his writing about the trial regarded the trial itself, but there were several instances in which he noted his feelings regarding the death of the child. </p>
<p>Everyone who has said Flea was stupid, juvenile, etc</p>
<p>The only difference between Flea and all of us is that Flea managed to be stupid and juvenile publicly. Maybe we should be a little more compassionate and stop pointing out the obvious. It doesn&#8217;t help or change anything.</p>
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		<title>By: Liz</title>
		<link>http://www.amichopine.com/blog/?p=183&#038;cpage=1#comment-4901</link>
		<dc:creator>Liz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2007 08:53:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doctors do not like lawyers.  Even, it seems, some lawyers do not like lawyers. But as neither a doctor or a lawyer, I have been following the saga of Flea with appalled fascination.  The fact is, no-one - not even Flea, nor the lawyers, know the real truth of this case.  A child was sick, the diagnosis was missed, and a human being on the threshold of adulthood died.  Maybe that was a simple human tragedy, with no-one to blame.  But are the parents expected to shrug their shoulders, and hold no-one responsible? Do you really believe this was about money, and nothing else? If Flea was anguished, it didn&#039;t come across in his blog, which seemed to me juvenile and very unwise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doctors do not like lawyers.  Even, it seems, some lawyers do not like lawyers. But as neither a doctor or a lawyer, I have been following the saga of Flea with appalled fascination.  The fact is, no-one &#8211; not even Flea, nor the lawyers, know the real truth of this case.  A child was sick, the diagnosis was missed, and a human being on the threshold of adulthood died.  Maybe that was a simple human tragedy, with no-one to blame.  But are the parents expected to shrug their shoulders, and hold no-one responsible? Do you really believe this was about money, and nothing else? If Flea was anguished, it didn&#8217;t come across in his blog, which seemed to me juvenile and very unwise.</p>
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